Grounded in Simplicity

Preparing for Disaster Without Going Overboard | Ep. 4

March 20, 2020 Bonnie Von Dohre, Danielle McCoy Season 1 Episode 4
Grounded in Simplicity
Preparing for Disaster Without Going Overboard | Ep. 4
Show Notes Transcript

What are some ways you can better prepare for an emergency without needing to hoard supplies or keep a large stockpile?

In this episode, we're talking about ways that you can gain skills and learn how to be more self reliant so you can survive when your supply chain is broken.

Survival doesn't mean hoarding toilet paper and shampoo. We're taking a realistic look at the supplies you need and how you can be prepared no matter what disasters you face.

Links mentioned in this episode:
National Center for Home Food Preservation: https://nchfp.uga.edu
Gardening Like a Ninja by Angela England: (affiliate) https://amzn.to/2UkTyHl
Danielle's blog post: Alternatives to Electric Light: https://www.therusticelk.com/living-without-electric-light/

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Bonnie:   0:00
starting a home said, and leading a self sufficient life is overwhelming.

Danielle:   0:03
Where do you start? Can you even

Bonnie:   0:05
consider yourself a homesteader? We're here to pull back the curtain on self sufficient living and talk about what it really takes to live this life. The good, the bad and the crazy. I'm Bonnie, a k a. The not so modern housewife, wife,

Danielle:   0:19
mother and coffee addict who enjoys teaching others where their food

Bonnie:   0:22
comes from and enabling them to live more sustainably. I'm Danielle from the rustic elk. Why mom to three farm girls and passionate about helping other stitch the consumer mindset and learn to become more self sufficient through foraging, hunting, growing and preserving their own food. Join us as

Danielle:   0:38
we put the simple back into old fashioned living and inspire you to produce organic food in your backyard no matter where you live. Welcome to the beyond the home, said podcast. Today we're talking about the importance of being self reliant when disaster strikes. We've had a lot of things that are making people more aware of being prepared and being well stocked. Lately, there's been the tornado in Tennessee, Um, and of course, we're dealing with the Corona virus outbreak right now. And so a lot of people are worried about the disruption of the supply chain. Um, you know, having enough supplies for a certain period of time. What happens if, uh the next time they go to the store, the supplies they need aren't there. And so we're gonna kind of talk about, um, what things that we can do to be more self reliant, especially when things like this happen.

Bonnie:   1:44
Um, I wrote a little post earlier today talking about why it's important to become more self sufficient and self reliant. Um, and how this virus outbreak and the tornadoes and everything have made it much more obvious that our supply chain does. It works. The just in time delivery system is going to fail at some point. And I think that the outbreaks that have happened and the the tornadoes and other things that have happened just made it even more apparent how weak that system is. And I'm not talking about I hate to use the word preppers because it has a lot of signal behind it. I'm not talking about, you know, going on Brian. 500 cans of chicken noodle soup. And, you know, 20 years of toilet paper or anything like that we're talking about, You know, um, just producing more of your own food and sourcing what? You cannot produce yourself from a local standpoint and, you know, learning more skills too. Maybe four inch frere. Dude, stop killing all the weeds in your garden and in your yard, and you can eat a lot of them just finding, you know, local sources for things like if we don't have enough land for a beef cow, So Aiken source out locally, or we can hunt more. And instead of tagging too, dear, a year, we have a limited three so we can tag all three dear to fill our freezer.

Danielle:   3:21
That's one thing is I've never really I've never really liked stockpiling. Um, because at a certain point you're gonna run out of your stockpile, and then what do you do as we're talking about? I mean, you know, a lot of people plan for ah, world collapsed, government collapsed whatever. And it's like, Well, you're gonna you're gonna run out of food or supplies or whatever at some point. And then you have nothing left Or what happens if your stockpile gets raided? Your you know, whatever. Um, in the case of Tennessee along those folks, anything that they may have had stockpiled got wiped out with their house. We need to get back on a local level. And I'm not talking about just buying at the local grocery store because most for grocery stores only have a few days worth of food in them. And that's something we ran into. Like we had Hurricane Irma come through here. It was it was a good two weeks before our store was back to being fully stocked because people were buying it Justus fast. It was coming in that the trucks just couldn't get here fast enough in stores just weren't able to hold enough inventory for everybody that

Bonnie:   4:32
needed it, right. And you, you know, it's it's all about building skills because, like you said, your your stockpile is gonna run out at some point. So if you don't have the skills to know how to produce that stuff yourself and this supply chain completely fails, then you're not gonna be able to do anything. Hoarding all the cans of soup isn't going to solve the problem in the long term, we had a tornado come through here. November of this team maybe might have been 13. I can't even remember. But we lost power for a week. We weren't hit by the tornado, but we lost power and we were living in town and none of the grocery stores had power. There were no generators available. You know, if you hadn't already done made all these preparations in advance than you know, you weren't gonna have power. And it was winter, and it got really cold right after tornado hit. So we we had a generator safely, and we were able to regar furnace so that it would kick on, since it needs electricity, even tow work. But if you don't have some of these things already in place and have the skills two produce more food or electricity or whatever it is that you need, then you're not really you're still being dependent on a failing system

Danielle:   6:02
similar to what we experience with Irma was. Our power was out for five days, and even the grocery stores in town were out for a couple of days before they got turned back on. So they had to wait for the trucks to come in to haul out all that spoiled food before they could have more trucks. Come in with the fresh supplies, which, you know, just added to the timeline. Um, and then we had a power surge. I think it was the day after the storm which damaged, um, one of the grocery stores, like damage their refrigeration and stuff. So it's all things we have to take into account now. Luckily for us, um, before the storm, we had filled the freezers full of ice. We kept the doors closed, and so, until our until our power came back on, everything was actually able to stay cool inside of the fridge and in the freezer. Um, we put in the freezers, we put cups of ice with with a penny on top of the ice. We froze, froze the water in the cup. And then we put the penny on top of the frozen ice, and then we put those in the doors of the freezers. So we knew as long as the penny was still on top, then everything inside of the freezer had stayed frozen. And then we had a thermometer inside of the fridge. So once we did reopen the fridge, we had that thermometer that told us the temperature. And once we were able to get back to the house, we got our generator plugged in and were able to run the fridge and freezer off that, um, But we we realized pretty quickly that we didn't have enough shelf stable food that if we had lost everything in the fridge or freezer, we would have run out of food very quickly. So we ended up, um, starting to store, huh? More freeze dried foods. I actually started selling freeze dried food for a little bit so I could get the discount store in Stockpile it that way. Um, but, I mean, I probably only have a month's worth of food. And so beyond that, I need to have my garden. I need to have my goats, my chickens for eggs. You know, if I need to go out and what you're a turkey butcher chicken. I've got that available so that once my stores run out, I still have something to keep us going. And then we have local agriculture around here that we can also bye from, but it really opened our eyes to being less reliant on the grocery store. After that,

Bonnie:   8:39
right in this virus outbreak, you know, they're they're closing down entire countries and locking people down into their villages in Italy. I was reading about a woman the other day that they're only allowing two people into the grocery store at a time, and they may or may not have very many supplies there. And you think about something like that happening in the America. And I'm not trying to say, you know, we should not freak out panic and go by the store. And I'm just saying, You know, my husband's a truck driver and I know firsthand that this has affected his job. They're they're not shipping near a cz. Muchas they were. Now he ships large goods to mostly businesses, but he is a daily driver, so he's, you know, he's the end of the supply chain to get things to the businesses so that they can operate. So if his jobs affected, then think about you know, the rest of supply chain and how it's affected. And of course, some of this is because of the manufacturing in China and how they didn't really have much. But you start to think about it, and you start to realize that if if our supply chain is broken at any point, whether it's, you know, somebody in a different country, not manufacturing or ships not running or planes not going or just simply truck drivers not being able to leave and go deliver the goods. And there's not gonna be anything on the grocery store shelves,

Danielle:   10:03
right? And and not even, just, you know, disaster can look like a lot of different things. Unemployment could be disaster. Oh, absolutely, we've We've been dealing with that ourselves. My husband was out of work for the entire month of January, and we had to start. Um, you know, going into our freeze dried food stores and eating are freeze dried foods to keep us fed because we just we didn't have money to buy suits, Um, but then, because of the virus outbreak and China's economy is tanking, affirm that my husband used to work for most of their work right now has been in China. They've been building and developing and designing for things in China, and I mean, let's see that this virus started mid December. By mid January, they had to lay off their entire office, and they're there in Orlando, Florida But because all of their income was coming out of China, all of those projects now are stopped, and so they don't have any money coming in to pay their employees.

Bonnie:   11:07
And we can also think about, um, you know, snow storms when snow storms heading a winter. A lot of times that people go by all of them, you know, French toast essentials. E never really understood that. But, you know,

Danielle:   11:25
people have forgotten how to make bread. So apparently you need to go and buy all the bread.

Bonnie:   11:30
Yes, and just things like that. Even if you're using flour, you can store flower for a long period of time in bulk quantities, and you can story yeast for a long periods, time and bulk quantities so that you can produce some of those things yourself. It doesn't even have to be stuff that you physically grow or forage or whatever. It could be things that you buy the store. We have a large Amish community nearby and, you know they pick up sugar table sugar and flour at the local grocery store, and they use it at home to make bread and other good baked goods for their families or to sell. And, you know, just learning a simple skill like that or, like you said about shelf stable food, learned to Cannes. It doesn't matter if it's, you know, stuff that you do. Pick up the grocery the first time, or, you know things that you pick up your local farmers market. A canning food. You know those air all shelf stable options so that you can continue to feed your family. You can even can meet its not hard. You have to have a pressure canner, but it's not hard. And then that's that. Food is already cooked and ready, so even if you don't have a means to warm it, it may not be the best tasting, but you could still consume it in. It's safe,

Danielle:   12:54
right? And there's actually, um, just because this is kind of at the front of my mind right now, But there are Resource is in some communities. Um, I realized these air, they're not common everywhere, but here and near where I live, we have a cannery, and it's actually owned by the county. Um, but in our case, the local growers association is taking it over, and they're going to be teaching canning classes and hopefully even having some locally grown produce available. So if people don't have their own produce, they could buy it there and then can it and the canners air there. So if you don't have your own pressure canner, you can use all of their equipment and it's a commercial kitchen. Um, and then you've got someone with more experience there who could teach you and kind of guide you to make sure that you're doing everything safely. Um, And so that was big thing When when I first moved here, it was one thing that really kind of got me interested in pressure canning. Unfortunately, at the time, the woman who was running it ended up hospitalized because she just older. And so I ended up having a kind of learn as I went and did not can safely the first few times that I did it. But

Bonnie:   14:15
I figured

Danielle:   14:15
it out. Um, I ended up throwing out a lot of meat and soup because I kind of realized after the fact that I probably didn't do things correctly.

Bonnie:   14:27
Father, there's definitely a learning curve. I have the Apple Post on my site on specifically on how to can me and, uh, just how to use a pressure. Canada In general, a lot of people are scared of them. They're really not that scary. And you just have to use common sense in a couple of safety precautions. And it opens up a larger avenue for what you can can and what you can't, because high acid foods were the only thing you can safely can in a water bath canner, which are like your sauces and tomatoes and jams and jellies and things like that. But if you want to, can beings, you know, green beans, corn mean all of those things have to be pressure can. So by not learning how to use one or being afraid of it, I have a friend that is definitely afraid of, then refuses to use them. And you know, you're you're cutting yourself off on what you can and cannot preserve into a shell stable form,

Danielle:   15:29
right well, and you know, I know there's a lot of horror stories about, you know, pressure canners back in the day. Um, and then you see these photos circulating the internet of, uh, you know, the lid of the pressure canner embedded into the ceiling.

Bonnie:   15:44
Um, I don't think I don't think

Danielle:   15:46
people realize that photo was staged. Um, if if a pressure canner actually blew, that is not the way it would come apart. But modern pressure canners have so many safety things built into them that I mean, I know mine. At least two vowels would have to blow before it would even come close to having enough pressure to to explode.

Bonnie:   16:13
I exploded mine once. I'll be honest. I did. I I was pregnant and had the whole foggy you pregnant brain going on. And I didn't tighten my lid down. Oh, I have. I haven't all Americans. So it screws on, right? Yeah. You OK, so I forgot to tighten it. Cue cards. Hey, isn't it? It got up to fresher. And then I had water everywhere, but it wasn't some, you know, like big, huge, scary disaster. None of my charge tracked. None of my food was everywhere. It just made a mess, right? I mean, granted It could have been mildly dangerous if somebody had been right there because they would have gotten hot boiling water on them. But none of us were actually in the kitchen when it did it.

Danielle:   17:01
Okay, well, and it's not like the whole thing explore.

Bonnie:   17:05
I wasn't a blow. It just It was just, you know, the pressure got high enough that it just popped, lit a jar. It did not pop the lid off and water came stealing out because of all the pressure. So, you know, not really a lot scary. And yes, ordinarily, as long as you're history or lead down, the vowels have to pop off before anything's even gonna remotely happen. And you might have a watery mess. But other than that, you're not gonna have a mess. And what I don't understand is everybody's obsessed with these instant pots. That is a pressure cooker. I know the result of pressure could call your candor so scary. You just button, let me just

Danielle:   17:50
put this out there right now. Since we're talking about it, you absolutely cannot in any way, shape or form pressure can with an electric pressure cooker. There's no such thing as a safe electric pressure canner. You need an actual pressure canner. Yes. And then I get a what? Yeah,

Bonnie:   18:12
it wouldn't even hope. Maybe a jar. So you know. Well, yes. Pressure canning. You have to have it. Set it a certain pressure which is dependent upon your elevation. So you cannot use an instant pot. The pressure, it's never going to be right. And that pressure is said it a certain degrees simply because that's what's gonna help your water get to the temperature it needs, which is gonna help your food get to the temperature it needs in order to be safe for you to consume. Right?

Danielle:   18:42
Because boiling water only goes up to 212 degrees and botulism spores and do not die until 240 degrees, right? Which is only reached under pressure. There's your science. All right. Okay. Um anyway, yes. So definitely having more shelf stable. And the other thing that kind of baffles me a little bit, and I'm on well, water, so I don't worry necessarily about, um, you know, the city water going out or whatever. What was interesting was that, like after Hurricane Irma, our friends in town had water, and when we did not great. And once we got the well hooked up, the generator were ableto pump water. Um, I do want to put a hand pump my well, but that's another story.

Bonnie:   19:35
Yeah, me too.

Danielle:   19:37
But, you know, if you if your water is safe to drink from the tap in general, you don't need to go and buy cases. In cases of bottled water we had I have a lot of half gallon mason jars, glass mason jars that I used for milk. Um, well, I'm milking my goats, and so we just We got all of those out. We filled those with water. We filled, uh, juice. Like, you know, the, um, juice containers you put in the fridge to mix up juice concentrate. We fill those with water, anything that we had, that waas like food grade was filled with drinking water and either kept in a cooler kept in the fridge or wherever we could keep it. Because for us, our generator was not large enough to run the fridge freezer and well, at the same time. Um, so we were only turning her well on once or twice. a day, depending on how much we needed it. But we would have to turn the fridge and freezer often or to do that. So obviously, we didn't want them to be turned off for a very long period of time. And so we would just we turned the well on. We'd fill up all of the water for the animals. Um, we would fill up the Philip our drinking water containers. We have some other water, non potable water that we've used to flush toilets and in the well would get turned back off again. Um, we didn't shower for a week, but, you know, that's kind of a little around here. Yeah, we just We we ended up with one case of water. Um, just because my husband's work at the time they would always buy water by the pallet, and so they had just a pallet of water sitting out in their warehouse. So when everyone came home before the storm, they just sent everybody home with a case of water. And then our cat decided to attack the side of the case of water and, like we ended up with puncture holes and half the bottles my cats. You're weird. Um, but yeah. You know, I figured worst case scenario, I could probably bake bread. Of course, the probably ran into again was that our oven would use too much power for the generator. So we'd have to turn other things off to run the oven. And you don't think about after hurricane the fact that it's still raining two or three days after the hurricane. So there wasn't a whole lot of cooking outside happening, So we had to figure out things we could eat inside that didn't require being cooked. Didn't require fire. Uh, propane was nowhere to be found, so using our grill was out of the question. Definitely. Make sure you have a couple of bottles of propane ahead of time.

Bonnie:   22:32
Yeah, we we run aura. Stove is propane. So other than kicking the oven on, I love modern technology. Yeah, you know, we couldn't We can cook things on the stove talk any time because you can light the burner long as you have propane. So, you know, make sure you have, you know, even like gasoline, or we have a gasoline car in a diesel truck. So, you know, make sure you have some of that stored away, just in case you need to go somewhere and you don't have fuel for it. People don't think about gas stations not having fuel not being able to be delivered to and lots of things you can cut off the supply chain. So if you keep those things, you know, it doesn't have to be some obscene amount. Just, you know, a six gallon can will get you somewhere versus being stuck if you need to travel.

Danielle:   23:24
We did see that a lot when people were evacuating Florida. Um, and this is something I've kind of always warned people about when it comes to evacuations. For Florida, in particular, if an evacuation is gonna be ordered, most of South Florida has probably already started evacuating. So they were already clogging up the roads and nobody could find fuel. All of the gas stations were just flat out of gas up until you got to the Georgia border. And so if you didn't have enough gas in your car door, at least get to the Georgia border. You might as well not even try because you're gonna end up broken down on the side of the highway, which happened a lot, and it was taking folks twice as long to get out of the state as it normally would because of so many traffic jams. Somebody broken down cars. We saw all kinds of lines at gas stations for people trying to get fuel,

Bonnie:   24:16
right, especially during, you know, like hurricane season. Make sure you have at least 1/2 tank of fuels at all times. I asked. Yeah, we have my husband's one of those, like, I'll leave it on E crazy. I'm like, Okay, we have 1/4 tank of gas. We need to get fuel. He's like, No, we're good. No, like No, we're not. I know

Danielle:   24:36
down here the general rule of thumb for hurricane season is don't let it drop a little half a tank in case you ever going to evacuate round. But we also have, like, three cans of gas and three cans of diesel that we try to keep on hand. Of course, the problem you run into it was especially the ethanol fuel. It's going to separate, and so you need to keep that rotated. You can't just leave it set forever unless you don't write operator on. But then also, you know, our generator ran off of diesel, and we only had enough diesel to last us a few days. Thankfully, um, within a few days, the the gas the gas stations were starting to get re stocks and stuff, so it was getting easier to find fuel. Um, but you have to, you know, you have to be able to be self reliant for those first couple of days. Like, really three days of self reliance is the minimum. Um, because, you know, I mean, we had, like, we ended up having to evacuate into town, because that's at the time it was forecasted to hit us directly as a Category three hurricane. And we live in a manufacturer home. Um, so I honestly did not expect our house to survive. Ah, and we when we were surrounded by trees. So if nothing else, I expected a treat. A fall on it. We were so, so fortunate. We had a lot of trees come down, but only one branch land on the house itself. So we did pack up all the pets. The livestock state here turned out, um, turned out all the goats. So I have two goats named Irma and Maria because they were conceived during the hurricanes. Um, I've got a twisted sense of humor. Um, and so, yeah, we had to go in town. And then after the hurricane cleared, there were just There were so many trees and power lines. My husband came back to check on the house, and when he came back to get us, he was like, You would not have been happy knowing what I was driving through because I would have told him to turn around, come back cause he was literally I mean, he was, um he was driving under live power lines. I mean, while they may not have been lies, but he didn't know, right? And so they were just They were high enough that he could drive under them. Um, but trees have come down on them Or, you know, they were just they were across the roadway. And, you know, there were a couple of times that he had to, like, turn around, take a detour because the line power lines were in the road or tangled up in a tree that was in the road and uh, that was the hardest thing. Waas. We had a lot of a lot of folks just come out with their chain saws to cut up these trees and get him off the roads. But waiting for the lineman to come out to make sure that the electric lines were not hot. It was the most time consuming thing. And so there were a lot of roads that stayed shut down just because the power line was still there. And then there were some folks that were just crazy and decided to try to cut up the tree anyway. And thankfully, no one died. But, um, I'll tell you what, These Floridians are nuts. Um, we

Bonnie:   28:05
want the Hoosiers. Well, I mean, Google floor demand sometime and see what comes up. Oh, yeah, I know. I've seen all the means every half years. There's some

Danielle:   28:20
stuff that we keep on hand anyway, because it's cheaper for me to buy in bulk. I have subscribed and saved through Amazon, and so I have cases of toilet paper and paper towels that get delivered to my house every 2 to 3 months.

Bonnie:   28:37
Porter, I know I'm horrible. At least it's only one case at a time. Yeah. This is true. Did you know about the people in Australia? They, like, accidentally ordered, like, 20 years of toilet paper? He was trying to order something about that he was trying to order, like, four packages or something like that, and ended up with, like, four cases or some. Yeah. Hey, has enough toilet paper for, like, a decade or something. I know. Well, that and I just

Danielle:   29:05
shot my case of Total of Paper last month, and I'm seeing all this stuff about grocery stores being out of total paper. I'm like, I'm good. I'm good

Bonnie:   29:12
for, like, another month. And folks, seriously, there are other ways to wipe yourself. I mean, they're like, if it comes down to it, there are ways to wipe yourself without using toilet paper. What is it like? Only like, 30% of the human population actually uses toilet

Danielle:   29:31
paper. True well, but so we've got a lot of countries that the days are standard on toilets. Um, right. But I will tell you those public restrooms are awful because the floors are soaked because they're spraying everywhere.

Bonnie:   29:49
That's roast anyway. You know? You know, we all do have, you know, claw. This is things and they will launder. Right? And

Danielle:   29:59
that's Washington wants I want, you know, I mean, I've washed washed, um, cloth diapers for years. It's no right I've got, um I mean, well, somewhere I have to find them somewhere. I have tons of cloth, baby wipes. Um, they got stuck in a box somewhere, but yeah, if

Bonnie:   30:20
I had had sons of, like, extra flat diapers that we could definitely use. I mean, yeah, I know it personally. Congress is now. I don't really want to be washing everybody's happy whites, but the same time, you know, it's better than not. Yeah, and an adult. You know, grown poop does not wash out quite like baby proof, but, you know, here and we're there, push comes to shove. Then you know there are alternatives. I'm just putting that out there, you know? It's so cancel

Danielle:   30:49
Oxy, clean your troubled up, you'll run a double rents. You'll be good to go. Yeah, and I mean, I have to laugh. There's a mean going around about the leaves you can use If you need

Bonnie:   31:03
to know I'm good, I would probably pick up steam metal. Okay, that leaves are tiny. You wouldn't be on a wife. Anything with that? I'm just saying that would be my luck over poison. I'm e e.

Danielle:   31:16
I got some comfrey of that column. Three would make great toilet paper elephant ears, you know,

Bonnie:   31:27
but yeah. I mean, there are alternatives. There are There are places that, you know, use the dates in their basements and you've got a hand. It'll wash. I mean, come on, stop hoarding toilet paper. I do not understand that. Well, And the filling, you know, way have to

Danielle:   31:47
think about, you know? Okay. Where you live, the scenarios that you are likely to run into, and ultimately one of the minimums you needs for survival. All right, you need You need food, You need water. You need shelter.

Bonnie:   32:02
You do not need toilet paper. It's up for debate. Yes, that's adult,

Danielle:   32:09
honey. I mean the world I know I

Bonnie:   32:11
can start by without toys. May not enjoy it. The world is

Danielle:   32:18
not gonna run out of toilet paper, and you do not need to stockpile like six months of total paper. Um, yeah. Uh I mean, I guess the only thing I will say to that is I do kind of wonder how much of the tool paper shortage is supply. Chain related. Um, you know how much of that stuff has been shipped from China?

Bonnie:   32:45
Right. Uh, that's probably a lot. It's affected a lot more than people realize, but I do know people are hoarding toilet paper. Oh, I'm Oh, I've seen tons of videos,

Danielle:   32:55
and I don't like the fist fights over 12 paper. I'm like,

Bonnie:   32:58
Yeah, there were people in Australia. The police were called just Woman had, like, an entire cart full toilet paper. And this other woman wanted one package and she said no toilet paper free. And they started fighting. The manager came over. Oh, and he ended up calling the police. Yeah, and I'm pretty sure is in Australia. I'm not entirely sure,

Danielle:   33:20
but it would be a little bit passionate. Um, yeah. Yeah, well, and you know, this kind of goes back to, like, extreme couponing toe to a degree, um,

Bonnie:   33:35
which I never understood either. But

Danielle:   33:37
I didn't either. And I and those folks would really drive me nuts because their mindset waas. Either they would they would stop pilot for themselves, which I mean, really, we're talking book cases of shampoo. Like how? I mean, I have long hair. I do not go through that much shampoo in a year. And ah, or or they would, you know, donate to the suit sank all this kind of stuff, and that's that's noble. But I will tell you is someone who has gone to the food bank. Um, there were shelves and shelves of, like, deodorant and soap and shampoo and hardly any food. And I When I went, I did not need deodorant and soap and shampoo. I needed food.

Bonnie:   34:23
Well, in in a in a stuff hits the fan type of scenario. That's everybody's gonna know you're heartless soap because nobody else is gonna be ableto faith. I mean, did anybody ever think of this? Did anybody ever watch the walking dead? Right? I will run in. You know, you want to talk about extremes, You know, you're not going to be using shampoo. You know, you're probably not even gonna have, you know, clean running water on a routine basis. If yeah, you know, you go to an extreme situation. Let's think about

Danielle:   34:55
the rest of society like you're not the only one who needs this. And even if you want to, you know, donate it to a shelter or whatever. Think about those other families who our coupon ing and relying on those sales because they need it for their family. And maybe, for one reason or another, they can't go to the food bank or they're not. You know, I mean, most food banks around here at least don't really have eligibility requirements. But you're only allowed to go to each food bank once a month. And so you know what if they've already used that, that one visit a month, and now they they still need this, But they go, it's on sale, and the shelves are completely cleared out. And, yeah, you could get a rain check, but if you need it this week, you don't want to have to wait till next week.

Bonnie:   35:46
And if you're living paycheck to paycheck, then you may not have about money next week. Anyway, right s o. And you can't live on shampoo. I mean, you can't eat it. Well, ain't tide pods. They proven that's highly frowned upon. Yeah, Yes. Uh, you know, So when you're thinking of you know, things that you need to quote unquote stockpile. And I hate to use that word, but you don't want to stockpile so. And toilet paper and paper towels. None of those things are edible, and you don't need them to survive. You need food, we need water. You need shelter. These writings that you need. So you need to make sure if you're gonna stockpile. But these are the things you're stockpiling. And don't rely on just a stockpile. Learn how to produce those things yourself.

Danielle:   36:36
Yeah, cause long term. That's what you're gonna need. I mean, there's certain things that I always try to have one hand, like I will always have an extra bag of flour, Extra bag of sugar in the freezer. Um, I will usually have a few extra pounds of butter in the freezer. Uh, dried beans, rice. I probably have £10 of rice in my freezer right now, but yeah, you get to a certain point where, like, there's some things you can start to look at and go. Okay. I know I use a lot of diced tomatoes. I can start handing my own diced tomatoes and preserving those so then you know, if I'm able to grow a lot of tomatoes during gardening season, I mean now I mean, what can those that have them year round

Bonnie:   37:19
meat, for instance? Like I mentioned earlier, because you can can it up. It's not quite the same. We like it. But some people, you know, it's that's kind of acquired. It's not like cooking it fresh, but it makes great talking for, you know, like potatoes or rice, you know, mix, you know, make some beans service. They meet next to it. You know, you can pre season

Danielle:   37:46
a lot of it to go like I have some folks that will do, almost like a barbecue seasoning or whatever with, um, you know, pork or beef for chicken. And then that way, when they pull it out, they can. LA times are like making sandwiches type of, you know, loose meat sandwiches with it. Stuff like that, um, or, you know, you do diced meat and then turn around, throw it a soup,

Bonnie:   38:11
right? We do, Uh, um, garlic and onion in our venison a lot because it's usually too of this, things that I used to season it, so I just came up with that, and then you don't have toe season it later. It's already got flavor in it, and then you just you know, a lot of times, warm it up and just put it on some potatoes over something make kind of like a cheap, easy meal and potatoes. They're super easy to grow. I know a lot of people are like, Oh, don't depend on potatoes, but they're so easy grow in large quantities

Danielle:   38:46
I have. So I had my husband going by seed potatoes and then I didn't get around to planting them, so he decided to take it upon themselves. I probably have. I probably have 30 grow bags of potatoes outside right now. Oh, my, um, they're all coming up.

Bonnie:   39:09
Well, that's good. But what tends to have a store? Well,

Danielle:   39:14
that's That's the thing is, um, we really can't grow Russ. It's here because they're too. Florida doesn't have a nice long growing season. We have more like two short seasons, and it's it's too hard. I mean, if I had a greenhouse or something like that, I could keep them in that over the winter to keep them from freezing. Um, but otherwise were kind of relying on, like, 70 to 90 day varieties, which tends to be your reds, purples, Yukon golds. Um, and so that's a lot of what I have out there right now. And so we just planted them a couple weeks ago. They should be ready. Midnight, eh? I guess before the rainy season starts, because then they rot and they don't end up doing well. But because they're all thin skinned potatoes, they don't store super well either. So are other options. Are you? Either eat them fresh or weaken. Can someone kills a free some? There's one nice thing with with potatoes is they do preserve really well.

Bonnie:   40:15
Yeah, they dio where we are doing Yukon Golds this year, and, uh, German butter balls.

Danielle:   40:21
I haven't tried those yet.

Bonnie:   40:23
Yeah, I got £2 of each, but they're coming for a couple of, like, two more weeks, I think.

Danielle:   40:32
Yeah, well, yeah, because you guys were just starting your season, so

Bonnie:   40:36
yeah, I'm just starting seeds and all that fun stuff, and I have timeto that girl bad is ready for the potatoes. No, let's start before I have to. Actually. Really? I like

Danielle:   40:50
the gro bag because we have a lot of issues with, um, nematodes and just stuff in the soil that likes to eat the potatoes. And so, with the grow bags, I'm able to better control that environment. But then also, if I need some fresh potatoes, tigers go out and reach in the grow bag and feel around for some better the right size and go ahead and pull him out.

Bonnie:   41:16
And then the rest of plant keeps growing. Right? Okay. Another fairly, you know, sustainable problem. They're pretty easy to grow. I think that there the best ever. But we'd like potatoes.

Danielle:   41:31
I know. So we, um Yeah, there. They always have. Ah, but a more buttery flavor to me. Well, yeah. I like the flavor a lot better from my

Bonnie:   41:47
Yeah. And the food. You know, when you learn to grow your own food, the food doesn't taste better. Your tomatoes taste better. They don't taste like cardboard. And, um, you know, potatoes and green beans. I can't think of anything that we've grown here that didn't taste better than the variety I bought at the store.

Danielle:   42:03
Yeah, I know. We're eating peas out of the garden. like I'm not. Even none of my produce ever makes it back to the kitchen. I have one tomato that I brought inside so I could finish ripening before the bugs get to it. And my husband has already threatened to

Bonnie:   42:19
eat it as soon as it's right. Yeah, as far as you know, being prepared. Or however you want a word it and, you know, learning to become more self sufficient. I think now more than ever, it's more appearance. This is something that the vast majority of people need to beach working towards. And, you know, I think you have to look at your your situation. You know where you live and what you're capable of and what you want to learn And, you know, maybe kind of start implementing more of those things than you had originally planned to. And I don't think you should jump all in and do all the things that we were gonna downsize and move. And now I'm keeping us kind of hot chicks and ducks and expect five. But, you know, I can still sell my home later, especially if I make these things look halfway presentable. It looks like the economy is probably gonna tank. And I would much rather, you know, learn more and produce more and expand our knowledge and our abilities, as opposed to not which was kind of where we were at. We were gonna just stick with what we knew and not do extra things. You're more things. And we decided that we're gonna go ahead and do what we can here until, you know, thanks to start looking like they're gonna turn around so that we can move. So, you know, just look at your local situation. You know where you live and what you need. You know, we don't only eat the same things we don't all. I have a desire to produce the same things or even the ability to. So you just have to kind of look at what you need. And it's not champagne and toilet paper. Okay, and, you know, alert. Figure out what you do need and what you're gonna be able to do with worry currently at and then start implementing those things. And don't do them all at once. But start implementing those things. You know, like you can grow potatoes on the balcony of your apartment? Yeah, or, you know, a couple tomato plants. You can even hang tomato plants. Um, you know, you can grow lettuce and microgreens all kinds of stuff. You can even grow them inside. You know, you don't have to have, you know, this big, bustling garden full of dirt. You can You can do a lot of things indoors. Well, you know,

Danielle:   45:03
I've come to realize here in order not granted, Florida sun is different. Um, are full sun is too intense for most of your typical vegetable varieties, but I've come to learn most plants on lee need about six hours of sunlight. Thio, even if even if they're full sun, um and so you know, if you it's it's pretty easy for most folks to find six hours of sunlight, even if it's only morning, sun. Um, morning sun will be better than late afternoon sun, but you do the best you can with what you have. And, you know, you can try some tomatoes if you think you have less than ideal son situation. Um, potatoes aren't gonna need as much

Bonnie:   45:51
sun as a tomato because we're

Danielle:   45:54
not trying to ripen fruit. Um, and if it doesn't work. Then you try something else next year. All

Bonnie:   46:01
right? We're gonna try to do some edible landscaping with some strawberries out front. And I was trying to decide if it got enough, son, and I think that it does. But, you know, you can try different things. And if it doesn't work, it's not the end of the world. Just, you know, reassess and adjust the following year.

Danielle:   46:20
Yeah, but you know, if you've got if there's a soap shortage, then you figure out how to make soap. Now there's a lion might run into problems, but plumbing section alos That's where you find your life anywhere, huh? Yeah. You know, it's there's There's always ways around this. You might have to get a little creative. Um, you're definitely gonna have to go against the grain a little bit and stop listening to what the norm tells you. You know, I mean, I almost a daily basis. I have people telling me that I need to downsize and cut back, and I have been downsizing and cutting back the last few years because of health problems. But now I'm finally seeing it light at the end of the tunnel, and you better believe I'm not giving up yet. And yet, And I'm trying to get, like, a salsa garden going and getting more tomatoes growing and stuff like that so that we could can more this year because that's a big part of what we

Bonnie:   47:22
eat. Yeah, we're looking into doing more fruit, just berry bushes this year. But, you know, in the future, we might do more trees or whatever we can find that we can fit in a space that we have with the sun situation we have. We have a ton of sun out back, but the front of our house is all on the north side, so it doesn't get nearest much sun. And we have woods to our east. So we have a really awful in sun situation, and we can we have more room out back than I thought we did because I thought our septic went a different way than it does so right. We can look into doing different things, like instead, we're gonna get some berry bushes to start, Maybe propagates, um, elderberries and disease.

Danielle:   48:17
Your toddler's dying in the background is she's not, Anyway. Yeah, I've got, um my elderberries going. And I've got a lot of people that want elderberry cutting, so it looks like I'm gonna be putting up some elderberries. Aah!

Bonnie:   48:33
These Ah, Elderberry, sir. Cos these people that make that are making a killing right now, I heard.

Danielle:   48:39
Oh, yeah, Well, yeah, it's all of a sudden, everybody's more focused on how to boost the immune system. Yeah, um, but yeah, so we've got we've got that, you know, And part of it, too. And, I mean, this could be a whole Another podcast episode is looking at these holes and looking at, you know, if something's not being produced locally and not available locally, is it possible for you to fill that gap? Uh, and actually find another avenue for making money from her homestead, like, for me, you know, providing organic edibles because we didn't have a very good resource available

Bonnie:   49:16
locally. But, uh, like I

Danielle:   49:18
said that that could be a whole other podcast opposite. And yeah, we've got, like, we've got a peach tree that's actually doing really well right now. Uh, blueberries aren't going to do so hot this year because I didn't keep them on a fertilizing schedule. mulberries are looking pretty good all of trees. I really need to get them planted in the ground. They don't like being in the bags, but slowly but surely, you know, my husband keeps reminding me if you would have started our food forest 12 years ago when we moved here that we would actually be, you know, eating a lot of it right now.

Bonnie:   49:49
Yeah, fairly self sufficient that my mom with us, you know, going ahead and doing some of the things that we had originally planned on this property that we weren't going to do because I don't know how long we'll be here. You know, we could be here a year, and it would be somebody else's benefit with all these, you know, things that take two or three years produced. But at the same time, you know, we might be her five years. So instead of thinking that we're gonna leave and not doing all these things and implementing these different you know, food sources, we might as well go ahead and implement them. And if we're here, then we get the benefit of it. And if we're not on someone else can, right? That was

Danielle:   50:28
kind of my mentality for a long time was I didn't plan on staying here, so I didn't want to invest a lot into this property. But now I know we're not moving in the foreseeable future. And so I might as well make the best of it. And, you know, enjoy this property while we can.

Bonnie:   50:46
Exactly. And even if you live in town and you have a small lot, you know, strawberries are pretty, they're great edible landscape. Just yeah, putting that out there, you know? But there are tons of different things that you can grow even if you haven't aged a way. That's a pain in your neck. You know that are edible, but still can look like and appear like landscaping,

Danielle:   51:10
right? Yeah. Angela, England. Actually, Acosta's hospice or edible? That's true. Ah, Angela. England has a book called Gardening Like a Ninja, which is pretty much talking about, like how to incorporate edible plants in the landscaping so that you can look attractive. But you're still growing food, like a lot of the Hales, are very attractive. I know not everybody loves Kale, but I mean, there's even there's lettuce is like you know, in a lot of places, strawberries could be grown is a perennial. Um, I know some people that have tried to make a hedge of blueberry bushes. I don't know. That would be my favorite use for them. Um, but they tend to shed their leaves, and so you're gonna They're pretty. They're Yeah, they're pretty. And

Bonnie:   52:02
when they have lives, food. So right, right, right. And, you know, lots of herbs can make real pretty landscaping. Meant is pretty. It takes up, it'll take everything over here. But, you know, if you container plant meant, it's not quite as it's a lot easier and Rick don't contain right now if you put it in the ground directly. Yeah. Had a huge, huge patch of men and remember old houses.

Danielle:   52:34
We had a lot of men back in Ohio. We would we would go out and, like, make minty and stuff like that. Um, yeah, I I know folks around here that have, like, rosemary bushes. Uh, I cannot keep rosemary alive to save my life, but somehow they have a like, three foot tall bush of rosemary.

Bonnie:   52:57
Yes, I've seen those before, and in some places they'll get you clean girl like to Yeah, yeah, they dio And you could grow that in a container like up here and bring it in on the winner. And, you know, it will continue to grow bigger and look mad. But just, you know,

Danielle:   53:16
my dad was playing a banana tree in Ohio, so whatever.

Bonnie:   53:19
Hey, Wow. You would think he would

Danielle:   53:22
bring it into the basement in the winter. But anyway,

Bonnie:   53:25
if you think outside the box and you don't think about the cultural norms and, you know, and I don't think people should panic but realize that, you know, this is just the tip of the iceberg as far as this whole virus outbreak thing is, and you know the things we're probably going to continue on this path for the foreseeable future. So instead of, you know, making yourself so dependent on a failing system, think of ways that you can become more independent and produce more of your own or, you know, join a locavore movement and find that stuff locally so that you don't have to depend on a global system in order to buy food to sustain yourself, right?

Danielle:   54:11
Exactly. Yeah, because I mean part of the reason that Italy was put on lock down was because the virus balloons so quickly. And so, you know, and I have no doubts that we're probably going to see something very similar here. I mean, we already have several cases here in Florida. Um,

Bonnie:   54:30
yeah. I talked to a woman that said, You know, like, a month ago, this wasn't even on her radar. And they've already been on lock down in her village for quite a while. And they're gonna be on lock down until after the first of April. Her kid asked me in a school in, like, three weeks. Yeah. So you know, you have homeschooling for the win. You have to say, Excuse me, Think outside the box. And don't think that, you know, your supply chains always gonna be there because it may not be. And like I said, I don't think people should panic and freak out. That's not what I'm trying to use that make people. D'oh! Does

Danielle:   55:04
he realistic? Be prepared. You know, the whole play. This is not as bad as they're making it out to be. But if it iss, what precautions would you need

Bonnie:   55:13
to take right, And, you know, just like, you know, preparing it's it's gonna be tornado season up here. And you guys have hurricane season down there, and you do have some. You guys would get more warning than we D'oh! Just like the tornadoes in Tennessee. No, that wasn't even on anyone's radar. It just happened, right? But, you know, you know, the season is coming, so, you know, make sure that you're prepared for in some way. And that's probably not stockpiling because, like he said, these people in Tennessee, if they had stuff stockpiled, it probably went with her house, so and it might destroy your garden. But if you have those skills, then you're gonna be able to continue as opposed to If you don't gain those skills, then we're just gonna be lost,

Danielle:   56:04
right? Yeah. I mean, even down to the two, knowing how to function without electricity and running water. I mean, there are so many people that just go into pure panic because they don't have electricity and running water.

Bonnie:   56:22
Yeah, I actually have a post on alternatives to electric light. A lot of people don't have oil lamps and candles and sewer lamps and things like that. And I think those are all important tohave in everyday households because, especially in the winter, it gets dark so early and you're probably gonna need some form of light. Were also used to having it available to us with the flip of a switch whenever we want it. And like here today, it's really dark here, even though it is daytime. So you know, just think about things that things that are going to make you uncomfortable but still able to survive but yourself you know, outside your comfort zone to figure out what you need to learn or implement in order to survive. You know whether stuff hits the fan or, you know, your supply chain's broken because of the tornado are hurricane or a snowstorm or whatever it may be, so that you don't have to buy into the whole mass media panic that everybody seems toe be pushing, especially right now. Well, in this Internet TV, yeah, wait. If you wait until the last minute to

Danielle:   57:41
try to get this stuff, it's not gonna be there, I mean, and that's where a lot of this panic comes from. His people realize they need these things, and now they can't find them. And then when they can

Bonnie:   57:53
designed and hold Yeah, it's the whole just in time delivery system were also usedto living this way, you know? Oh, well, you know, we have a grocery. We can just go to the store and pick it up. But White House there,

Danielle:   58:06
you know, a lot of housing don't have storage stays. We have a garage or a basement, so that makes life really

Bonnie:   58:13
fun. Yeah, we have a garage, but it's full of mice and we don't have a basement were on three block foundations. So and we don't have a lot of storage inside our house. Yeah, we don't mean we could utilize it better than we do, but we just don't. It's We have storage. It's not practical. Like my pressure cantor is in my toddlers closet. Yeah, because I don't have anywhere

Danielle:   58:42
minds. We put shelves up above the back door and, like above the washer and dryer. So that's where a lot of that, like our first aid kits and pressure canner, a lot of jars coolers are all of initials. We bought

Bonnie:   58:58
Thio Big Hickory pantry cabinets at Lowe's on discount for like $50. A couple years ago on dhe filled him full of our canning jars. A little less

Danielle:   59:09
stuff. Yeah, we have an arm or that used to be my husband's bedroom set before we got married. And it's full of freeze dried foods. And I have

Bonnie:   59:20
been, you know, that's a new kitchen. They're full. Yeah, learn, learn. Like I said earlier, learn how to make your own bread or your own noodles or whatever it is that your family routinely eats, learn how to make that right. And I like you, mentioned tomatoes. You use a lot of diced tomatoes, learn how to can sum up whether you grew them yourself or you bought a farmer's market or even at the grocery store. But they're not gonna be is good. Well, right. But

Danielle:   59:48
yeah, you know, you're so yeah, I found tomatoes at a really good price at the grocery store, and so I ended up buying. I'm making salsa with him. Um, right. And I don't want you to do that,

Bonnie:   1:0:02
too, right? It gives you the opportunity to learn how to do something, and you didn't have to put the effort into actually producing it. And that could be a different skill set that you learn at a different time or what have you so that you're not, you know, going into canning completely blind,

Danielle:   1:0:19
right? Well, and even the folks that don't have the ability to grow in a race it themselves. All right, keep an eye on your grocery store and a lot of like, I know from coupon ng Um ah, lot of the stores have, like a six week rotational sale cycle. And so you pay attention those prices and you buy when it's at its lowest price, and then you know you can. If it's more than you can eat, you can freeze the extra you can can the extra You know, some of this stuff could be dehydrated, whatever you need to do. But then that way you're putting away more food, but you're buying it when it's at its cheapest price. So you're saving money

Bonnie:   1:1:00
and you're buying it when it's the season more than likely, or it's not on sale right exactly as faras fresh produce goes. And that's another thing you know, learn to eat a little more seasonally. We're so used to you know I can go to the store right now by tomatoes, but I can't grow tomato. All right now, right. It's probably coming from Florida. Canada was the last time I looked. What he has is our weird. Yeah. No, that was the bell pepper, which is also weird.

Danielle:   1:1:26
Yeah. Oh, it must be green

Bonnie:   1:1:28
or something. Yeah, they're hothouse, but yeah, and if we had a greenhouse and we could probably grow some of that stuff right now, But for the most part, you know I can't grow tomatoes this time of year in Indiana. So, you know, But if I learned how to eat or seasonally and preserve some of that stuff so that I can eat it out of season as opposed to being dependent on eating whatever I want whenever I feel like it, because it's not necessarily gonna be available to me if I can't go to the story by it, Right. So, you know, maybe make some adjustments to to your diet and learn how to, you know, even just use is preserved portions as opposed to fresh produce to recap. Um, you know, learn to grow your own food, figure out, think outside the box and think of different ways that you can grow your food If you're in an apartment, you know, think about indoor gardening there. Tons of resource is to learn how to grow, especially lettuce and those types of things inside and, you know, utilize your balcony. And if you live in a place where there's an aged away and you have a tiny yard and they're gonna be, you know, pain in your neck than you know, think about edible landscaping options as opposed to just having some big, strong garden. Um, you know, learn how to can find resource is to, you know, teach yourself how to Cannes or even using old fashioned drying techniques, insulting techniques and stuff of people. That's kind of like a lost art. And I think more people need to learn how to do those things to preserve particularly meets and, you know, stockpiles in things that don't go crazy. You know, we all we all use toilet paper, so it's not gonna be a bad idea. Have some on hand, but you you don't need it to survive, and you don't need, you know, 15 years recession and POTUS arrives to think about the things that you're gonna need in order to survive If your supply chain was broken off for a long period of time because it's always possible. It's like the people in Italy right now with the current virus. You know, lots of these people are trapped in their villages for they're gonna be tracking their villages for over a month. That looks like and you know, how long can you make do if your supply chain was broken off for longer than months? Because it's gonna take longer than that for them, too, you know, Come back from this and get back up to speed and work. Work with what you have with where you are and, you know, stop thinking about If you're like me, you're started thinking about the future and where you wanna be in five years, and it may not even be where you currently live. Don't worry about that. You know, just make do with what you have and build the skills that you can right where you're at right now. And I think that's it for this episode. We'll leave some resource is in the show notes and hope you come back next time